It has been thought for some time now that Owen Doyle and Margaret Shaughnessy were the patriarch/matriarch who left Ireland for the New World. Some updated research using new genealogy indexes points strongly to Owen's parents: Arthur and Mary as being the true patriarch/matriarch! How fun to stumble upon one more generation who emigrated from Graiguenamanagh, Ireland! There is a lack of details on Arthur's amount of time in Canada, but he did make it there!
And here is the information on Owen & Margaret ... Owen being a son of Arthur & Mary ...
This memorial/tombstone can be found at the Holy Name of Mary Cemetery in Tyendinaga Township/Marysville, Ontario, Canada (see "helpful links" below). Owen Doyle and Margaret (Mary?) Shaughnessy were Irish immigrants一the ones who crossed the Atlantic and started the "Doyle Dining Room" branch of the Family Tree. According to extended family member Joan Edenharder (a descendant of Owen's brother, Charles), Owen was from Graiguenamanagh, County Kilkenny, Ireland. So far, we don't know where in Ireland Margaret was born. Owen and Margaret (Mary?) married in Canada in 1834. 1834 would put Owen and Margaret in the First Wave of Irish Immigration—the Second Wave took place in the midst of the Irish Potato Famine (1845-1852). By 1860, Owen was an innkeeper in Lonsdale (about 4 miles from Marysville).
Why Would Someone Leave Ireland Before the Potato Famine?
If you enlarge the image above, or look at the close-ups below. You will see the indication that Owen married Margaret Shaughnessy and that his younger brother Charles married her sister Mary. Yet, the tombstone/memorial has the name "Mary" inscribed as the wife of Owen. So, who knows .... perhaps time and further research will clarify this discrepancy. Here's one possibility: Oftentimes, immigrants were too poor to pay for nice tombstones and simple, perhaps wooden crosses might've been put up instead. Then, perhaps a descendant might come along and arrange for a nicer stone to be set up ... either at the precise location of the graves of the ancestors or if that spot is unknown, at an unspecified spot—simply in memory of their ancestors. It is not uncommon for names and dates to get a little mixed up in these situations. Regarding the Margaret or Mary issue, only guesses can be made for now. I've made a few phone calls and sent an e-mail to the Holy Name of Mary Cemetery. I've been promised that when the "Cemetery Volunteer" comes to the office next, my questions will be presented. Hopefully I'll hear something soon!
*Please note ... in the entry above "The Owen Doyle Family," you can see that Joan Hayes Edenharder was the contributor for the previous entry (The Martin Doyle Family). Joan Edenharder is a descendant of Owen's brother, Charles, so she is related to the Doyle Dining Room Family members!
Owen Michael Doyle was born in 2018 in Rochester, NY; he was named after his father's father's father's father's father's father's father—who was the Owen Doyle born in Graiguenamanagh, County Kilkenny, Ireland in 1807 and immigrated to Canada circa 1820s or 1830s ... perhaps at the same time as his parents: Arthur & Mary.
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And here is the information on Owen & Margaret ... Owen being a son of Arthur & Mary ...
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| The Memorial/Tombstone of Owen Doyle and Margaret (Mary?) Shaughnessy Doyle |
This memorial/tombstone can be found at the Holy Name of Mary Cemetery in Tyendinaga Township/Marysville, Ontario, Canada (see "helpful links" below). Owen Doyle and Margaret (Mary?) Shaughnessy were Irish immigrants一the ones who crossed the Atlantic and started the "Doyle Dining Room" branch of the Family Tree. According to extended family member Joan Edenharder (a descendant of Owen's brother, Charles), Owen was from Graiguenamanagh, County Kilkenny, Ireland. So far, we don't know where in Ireland Margaret was born. Owen and Margaret (Mary?) married in Canada in 1834. 1834 would put Owen and Margaret in the First Wave of Irish Immigration—the Second Wave took place in the midst of the Irish Potato Famine (1845-1852). By 1860, Owen was an innkeeper in Lonsdale (about 4 miles from Marysville).
Why Would Someone Leave Ireland Before the Potato Famine?
The French sociologist, Gustave de Beaumont, visited Ireland in 1835 and wrote: "I have seen the Indian in his forests, and the Negro in his chains, and thought, as I contemplated their pitiable condition, that I saw the very extreme of human wretchedness; but I did not then know the condition of unfortunate Ireland...In all countries, more or less, paupers may be discovered; but an entire nation of paupers is what was never seen until it was shown in Ireland."
—The History Place: Ireland Before the Potato Famine
Thanks to the discovery of this book: The Story of Holy Name of Mary Parish 1837-1987, insights could be discovered and found on our immigrant ancestors.
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| It's a little worn, but with a little effort, you can make out some of the names and dates. |
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| Another Image from an Earlier Post by Aunt Eileen You can see Owen's name and Mary's name. There is a conflict, however with "Mary" ... |
The Margaret or Mary Shaughnessy Complication ...
If you enlarge the image above, or look at the close-ups below. You will see the indication that Owen married Margaret Shaughnessy and that his younger brother Charles married her sister Mary. Yet, the tombstone/memorial has the name "Mary" inscribed as the wife of Owen. So, who knows .... perhaps time and further research will clarify this discrepancy. Here's one possibility: Oftentimes, immigrants were too poor to pay for nice tombstones and simple, perhaps wooden crosses might've been put up instead. Then, perhaps a descendant might come along and arrange for a nicer stone to be set up ... either at the precise location of the graves of the ancestors or if that spot is unknown, at an unspecified spot—simply in memory of their ancestors. It is not uncommon for names and dates to get a little mixed up in these situations. Regarding the Margaret or Mary issue, only guesses can be made for now. I've made a few phone calls and sent an e-mail to the Holy Name of Mary Cemetery. I've been promised that when the "Cemetery Volunteer" comes to the office next, my questions will be presented. Hopefully I'll hear something soon! Tombstone or Memorial?
When/if I hear from the Cemetery Volunteer, perhaps clarification will also be offered on whether the stone marker is a tombstone at the actual gravesite of these immigrant ancestors, or if it is simply a memorial erected in their memory.
A few close-ups of the pages suggesting that Owen from Ireland married Margaret Shaughnessy, not Mary ...
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| Page 76 of: The Story of Holy Name of Mary Parish 1837-1987 Please Find an Updated Edition Here. |
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| Page 77 of: The Story of Holy Name of Mary Parish 1837-1987 (Updated Edition Here) |
Line 3 is quite clear about Owen marrying Margaret. The arrow points to their sixth child, Owen Eugene Doyle (see the close-up a few images down) who continued the line for the Doyle Dining Room blog.
Within the Shaughnessy Family section ... of The Holy Name of Mary Parish—1837-1987, it again states that Owen married Margaret and that his brother Charles married Mary ...
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| (Please Find an Updated Edition Here) |
More on Owen Doyle and Margaret (presumably) Shaughnessy ...
Owen Doyle and Margaret Shaughnessy Doyle from Ireland named their sixth child Owen. This Owen Doyle had the middle name of Eugene; he was the one who made the journey from Tyendinaga Township/Marysville, Ontario, Canada to Canandaigua, NY ...
Some helpful links ...
Lots of Irish Surnames at the Holy Name of Mary Parish ...
If you think you might have some Irish ancestry in Ontario, Canada, you might want to check out an updated copy of this book. LOTS of Irish families are catalogued; besides "Doyle" and "Shaughnessy," you can find other Irish surnames such as: Callaghan, Casey, Fahey, Farrell, Hurley, Kennedy, Kennelly, Kilmurry, Maloney, McGuinness, McMahon, Murray, O'Sullivan, Ryan, Sweeny, and more ...
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| The Story of Holy Name of Mary Parish has been updated and is available here. |
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| A Monogram for the Holy Name of Mary |
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| Another Owen Doyle! |
Please keep your eyes open for the next post ...
I hope to connect the dots from Arthur & Mary (and Owen & Margaret) (our Irish immigrant ancestors) to Aunt Eileen (who started the Doyle Dining Room blog). A string of four five generations!
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