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Saturday, May 8, 2010



This history began as a mini summary of a family that appeared to have vanished from Canandaigua and the face of the earth.  Growing up, we knew the Bates name only in reference to our Great Grandmother Ida Bradfield Bates who lost her husband Henry W. Bates, 1860 - 1889, early in the marriage.  Then in 2010 there was a possibility of a Bates relative alive in Alaska.  Margie came upon it in her research.  We dared to call this person not knowing if she really was the Great Granddaughter of Hulbert and Hannah Bates who would be our Great Grandparents also.  Connie returned the call and said that she was that person and was stunned to find out there were relatives left from that side of her family.  All her life she was told that the Bates name stopped with her and her three brothers. What stopped was the continuation of the Bates name but as you will see, the Bates continue to exist and are spread throughout the United States and probably other Countries.

Note: the names in orange are the direct grand parents of those who are grandchildren of Hulbert and Hannah Williamson Bates of Canandaigua/Grand Island New York. I have left off the "great" in order to keep it simple.  When this is completed you can count back to John Bate of Lydd and that will give you the number of "greats".  For my generation, Ida and Henry are the great grandparents of mine and my siblings and first cousins on the Doyle side.

NOTE: Our lineage can be traced back to Sir Gerard Bates (aka Bat) (1240), Lord Mayor of London. Originally of Northumberland, the family later removed to the town of Lydd, Kent, England. His son Sir Nicholas Bates (aka Bat) became Lord Mayor of London in 1250. Lord Mayor were chosen by members of the City's Livery Companies on Michaelmas Day.  Guring his one-year term, he fulfils several roles:
. Chief Magistrate of the City
. Admiral of the Port of London
. Chancellor of the City University
. Trustee of Saint Paul's Cathedral

The post of Lord Mayor of London has existed ever since 1189 and was first held by Henry Fizailwyn.  Since 1215 the post has been sanctioned by a Royal Charter which stipulates that each year the newly elected Lord Mayor must present himself to the monarch and swear loyalty to the Crown. This is still done in London once a year during an annual procession from the City of London to the City of Westminster.

Sir Gerard and Sir Nicholas Bates served under King Henry III, son of King John (does Robinhood ring a bell?) and grandson of King Henry II. 

In the parish church at Lydd may be seen the brass effigies of Sir Nicholas, and of other members of the Bates family buried there, adorned with the coats of arms used by the family in the United States. The ruling monarchy at the time were the Plantagenets. If you would like a sample of the times and living conditions, there are two movies detailing Henry II's reign called THE LION IN WINTER and BECKET both with Peter O'Toole as Henry II.

So let's get started and travel back to 1476 where two wills were found naming John Bate of Lydd as beneficiary of his brother William's Will and his son Henry's Will.  John Bate was from the Parish of All Hallows, County of Kent, England, who died in 1522. This information was authenticated by Reverend Newton W. Bates, West Bloomfield, New York, September 1, 1904. He tells us that the Bates' name began with different spellings but he stated that Bat was changed to Bate, then changed to Bates as we travel forward in time.  The Reverend also tells us that according to some authorities the name is derived from the Anglo Saxon word "bate" meaning 'contention'.  We would certainly identify with that. We also can identify ourselves as descendant from the Saxons and not the Normans.   It is important to know that Henry VII was King of England at this time and the majority of the people were Roman Catholic.  Therefore we can be almost sure the Bates began as Roman Catholic.  Henry stabilized England after a devastating 100 years war.  When he died, his son, at age 18, inherited the throne of England....his name is Henry VIII.  This I believe was the advent of the Bates becoming part of the Protestant Reformation. 
Henry Bate, John's son was from Lydd. His wife's name was Agnes. His children were James, Simon, Andrew and Thomas.
This information was taken from his will dated May 30, 1478.

Thomas Bate of Lydd, died in 1485, leaving two sons, John and William.

John Bate of Lydd, died in 1522, leaving two sons:
1. Thomas

2. Andrew 

He was Jurat (Alderman) of Lydd, and in his will left about 20 pounds to the Lydd church which was All Hallows Church, renamed during the Reformation to All Saints Church and became part of the Church of England.  The Church which holds a 1000 people still stands although it was hit by a stray bomb during WWII and needed to be partially rebuilt.
   All Saints Church, Lydd, England original tower and spires
                 Formally known as All Hallows Parish 1425.


Andrew Bate of Lydd, died in 1533.  He had six children:

1 Joan
2 Simon
3 William
5 Katherine
6 Thomas.

John Bate of Lydd, Jurat (Alderman), married Mildred Ward October 28, 1546, who was buried June 2, 1577.   He married Mary Bennett June 15, 1580.  Their children:

1  Mary
2  James
4  Andrew

James Bate of Lydd, England, yeoman, married May Martine, June 6, 1580.  He died March 2, 1614.  Their children:

1. Albert
2. James
3. Anna
4. (second) Anna
5.  John
6.  Thomas
7.  Edward
8.  Clement
9.  Joseph
10 Mary
11 Issac
12 Rachel
13 Martha

His son James settled at Dorchester, Massachusetts.  His son Clement settled at Hingham, Massachusetts (town divided into two towns, the new town is now Cohasset), and probably others settled in neighboring towns. Persistent tradition, states Elder Edward Bates of Weymouth (1605 - 1686) was a brother to James of Dorchester and Clement of Hingham, who had a brother named Edward, born October 8, 1592 and buried October 3, 1616 in England.

 The first of the name Bates to come to America was Clement Bates, who, in 1636, sailed from England with his wife, five children, and two servants, in the ship Elizabeth. He settled at Hingham/Cohasset, Massachusetts, on a free land grant given to him by King George I. The land and the house then built is still in possession of his descendants.

Clement, aged 40 yrs. with Anna (Dalrymple)  his wife, who was also 40 yrs. of age, and five children embarked at London for new England, Apr. 6, 1635, in the ship "Elizabeth," of which William Stagg was master. He came to Hingham about the time Rev. Peter Hobart and his followers arrived, and on the 18th of Sept. 1635, received a grant of free land on Town (South) St. This lot contained five acres, and was bounded on the N. E. by George Russell, and S.W. by Thomas  Johnson. It was the fifth in number from Bachelor (Main) St. and has been in possession of the descendants of the original grantee for nearly two and a half centuries. In 1883 the estate, including the ancient dwelling-house formerly known as the "Anchor Tavern" was sold to the owners of the land adjoining. A portion of the estate however has since been repurchased; and on the spot where the old house stood a dwelling of modern style has been erected, which is occupied by a descendant.

The name Bate was a common one in England for nearly two centuries before the Puritans took their departure for New England, and the ancestors of Clement are traceable for five + generations prior to that period;  James, who d. at Lydd in 1614, was the father of Clement of Hingham, Mass., and also of Edward, who settled at Weymouth, Mass., and of James of Dorchester., Mass. Anna, wife of Clement, d. in Hingham. Oct. 1, 1699, at 74 yrs. Clement d. 17 Sept. 1671, at 76 yrs. In her will, dated at Hingham, 12 Oct 1699, gives to eldest s. James "my house-lot next adjoining to my son Joseph, containing four acres, which was given unto me by the town. To sons Joseph and Benjamin, land and other valuables. To son Samuel, my now dwelling-house with the lot of five acres which the house stands upon. Also all my household stuff to my four sons, "etc.

Children of Clement Bates and Anna are:

i. James Bates, born 1621 in England; died Jul 5. 1689; married Ruth Lyford 19 Apr 1643 in Hingham MA; died 09 Mar 1688/89 in Hingham MA.

ii. Clement Bates, born 1623 in England; died Nov 1639; married Ruth. Notes for Clement Bates: History of the Town of Hingham MA, drowned

iii. John Bates, born Bef. 18 Oct 1624 in Biddenden England; died Abt. 18 Dec 1624. Notes for John Bates: Bates Bulletin Series III Vol 1 April 1918 bapt 18 Oct 1624 buried 18 Dec 1624

iv. Rachel Bates, born 1627 in Biddenden England; died Jun 1647.

v. Joseph Bates, born Abt. 1630 in England; died 30 Apr 1706; married Esther Hilliard 09 Jan 1656/57 in Hingham MA.

vi. Unknown Bates, born Bef. 02 Apr 1631. Notes for Unknown Bates: Bates Bulletin Series III Vol 1 April 1918 a child of Clement Bate, buried unbaptized, 2 April 1631

vii. Lt. Benjamin Bates, born 1633 in England; died 28 Nov 1678 in Hingham MA; married Jane Weeks. Notes for Lt. Benjamin Bates: History of the Town of Hingham MA Soldier in King Philip's War. Lt. He left no ch.

viii. Samuel Bates, born Bef. 24 Mar 1638/39; died 1713; married Lydia Lapham 20 Feb 1665/66 in Hingham, Plymouth Co., MA.

Note from the Ship's passenger list:Sailed to America on the Elizabeth embarked April 17, 1635

a taylor, Clement Bates.......40

Ann Bates.............................40

Five children

James Bates........................14

Clement Bates......................12

Rachell Bates.........................8

Joseph Bates........................5

Ben: Bates..............................2


Jo: Wynchester.....................19

Jarvice Gold..........................30

Joseph Bates, bricklayer, Constable, Selectman, Sexton of the Parish, was born 1630 in England and died April 30, 1706 at Hingham, Massachusetts.  He married on January 9, 1657, Esther Hilliard age 14, in Hingham. She was born on March 25, 1643 in Boston. Her Father and Mother were William and Hester Hilliard (our maternal Grandparents). Esther is mentioned in Joseph's Will of April 24, 1706 along with his four sons by name and four daughters but without their names. 
Their children were born in Hingham, Massachusetts:

1. Joseph, b. 9/28/1660. He married Mary Lincoln.

2. Esther, b. 8/29/1663. She married Richard Cobb

3. Caleb, b. 3/30/1666

4. Hannah, b. 10/31/1668

5. Joshua, b. 8/14/1671

6. Bathsheba, b. 1/26/1673

7. Clement, b. 9/22/1676 ...... drowned 6/29/1706

8. Eleanor, b. 8/29/1679, d. 1680

9. Abigail, b. 10/16/1680 married John Chubback 6/12/1700

Caleb Bates b. March 30, 1666 in Hingham, Massachusetts and d. there August 15, 1747.  He was a brick layer and a mason.
He married Ruth (?) 8/26/1689 in Hingham, Massachusetts 9/26/1689. Ruth died in September one year later. There were no children from this marriage.

On April 14, 1691, Caleb married Mary Lane, daughter of Josiah and Mary Lane.  Mary was born September 29, 1671 in Hingham, Mass., and died there December 11, 1715. They were married 25 years. Children all born in Hingham:

Comfort b. March 2,1691

Mary b. May 26, 1694, married October 18, 1716 to Israel Leavitt. 

 David b. September 25, 1698.  John b. December 3, 1700. 

Ruth birth date unknown married December 15, 1727 Joseph Mansfield.

On June 10, 1716, Caleb married Sarah Sprague. She was the daughter of Anthony and Elizabeth (Bartlette) Sprague.  Sarah was born on May 23, 1674 in Hingham and died there on October 9, 1751. They had one child:

Caleb b Novermber 9, 1718 in Hingham

David Bates was born September 25, 1698 in Hingham, Massachusetts and died in Hingham October 12, 1760.  He was married to his first wife, Patience Farrow of Boston on June 2 1719. She is the daughter of William and Patience (Tower) Farrow.  Patience was born January 7, 1701 and she died January 21, 1757.  Children all born in Hingham:
David born November 19, 1719, married Hannah Lincoln of Hingham. Her parents were David and Elizabeth (Whitcomb) Lincoln of Hingham.  Son David was a soldier in the French and Indian War. 

Johnathan was born October 25, 1721.

Patience was born July 18, 1723. She married Amos Joy on January 13, 1742. 

William was born August 2, 1725. 

James was born April 2, 1727 and died before his father David

Mary was born May 22 1729: Her first marriage to Joseph Joy was on November 23, 1748: Her second marriage was to Micah Jepson on February 18, 1752.
Susanna was baptised October 1731: She married Samuel Orcutt on January 22, 1749. 
Issacher was born May 6, 1733 and died in January 15 a year later. 

The next child was also named Issacher: he was born November 6, 1735. 
Frederick was born November 9, 1739, he was a Revolutionary Soldier. 

Rhoda was baptized on March 14, 1741 and married Asa Burg on May 28, 1761. 

Hosea was born on May 29, 1745.

William Bates was born 8/2/1725 in Hingham 2nd Precinct now known as Cohasset.  He died 8/9/1803 in Plainfield, Massachusetts at age 78. He married his first wife, Mercy Joy on 3/39/1748.  Mercy Joy was born 10/1/1732 in Hingham, 2nd Precinct. Her parents are Prince and Hannah (Orcutt) Joy.  William was a brick layer by trade.  In 1761 the family moved to Sherborn near Framingham, Massachusetts in Middlesex County. Two more children were born here adding to the 5 living children who were born in what is now Cohasset.  How long they lived in Sherborn is not known but prior to the American Revolution they joined a northwesterly migration through Worcester County that ultimately ended about 1800 for many of the migrants.  They settled in a Shaker Settlement at Watervliet, New York.  Before reaching their destinations, many migrants tarried and settled in Northern Massachusetts at the Town of Athol, Chesterfield, Conway, Cummington, Phillipston, Plainfield,Templeton and there abouts.

In the list of the children, the birthplaces indicate the localities in which the family settled at various times.
William worked as a bricklayer most of the time.  He also was a trader and a farmer to help supplement the family income.  The Cohasset history (Ref.2, page 53) notes that William was a Revolutionary Soldier.  We have not found this documented as of this writing.

Children of William and Mercy Joy Bates:


1.  Noah, b. 9/26/1750 - d. 11/1751
2.  Mercy b. 12/18/1751
3.  Noah b. 2/6/1754, married first wife Ruth Maynard and 2nd wife Betsey Cutter
4.  Hannah b 12/31/1755.  Married David Train 4/22/1774
5.  Issachar b. 1/24/1758
6.  Sarah b. 6/27/1760

7. Theodore b. 10/11/1762
8. Olive b. 8/27/1764

9.  Dolle Baptized 7/27/1771
10. Caleb b. 8/6/1774, baptized 9/7/1775. Interred at the Shaker Cemetary at Watervliet. d. 3/27/1848, age 73 yrs, 7 mo., 28 days.
11. William baptized 9/7/1775, d. 2/29/1776
12. William Junior Baptized 6/11/1776

The last four children are recorded as Children of Willam and Mercy in Athol according to the Vital Statistics which likewise records the death of William Junior to be February 29, 1776 - all church records

Theodore Bates, son of William and Mercy. Born in Sherborn, brought up in Athol, Mass.. b. October 11, 1762 and d.October 24, 1846 at or near Watervliet, New York. He is interred at Shakers Cemetery.  Theodore was married to his first wife, Mary (Molly) (note: written as Polly on some histories) Shattuck, on September 1, 1785 in Athol.  She was b. April 1767 and d. July 10, 1789 at 22 years. Her parents were Ephraim and Elizabeth Shattuck of Templeton. There were no children from this marriage.

Theodore married his second wife, July 21, 1792 at Conway, Franklin County, Mass., Abigail Wheeler who was b. March 11, 1776 in Templeton and d. about 1863 (age 87) probably at Niagara Falls or thereabouts. Her parents were John and Abigail Wheeler of Templeton.  John was selectman there in 1767, 1768, and 1777. This was at the very apex of the American Revolution, not an easy time for the Wheelers because John also was a Revolutionary Soldier. They had other children: all were born in Templeton - John 1774, Joseph 1778 and Lucy, 1780.

Children of Theodore and Mary (Molly) Shattuck Bates

1.  Lucinda, b. December 1786, married June 21 to William Pike. She died October 4, 1849 at Athol, Massachusetts.
2.  Lydia b. November 17, 1787 at Phillipston, Mass., married to Abel Lamb in Phillipston on May 29, 1804

Children of Theodore and Abigail Wheeler Bates

1.  Theodore b April 29, 1793 at Conway, Mass.
2.  Abigail b. September 2, 1794, nothing is known about her.
3.  Osee b in 1796 most likely at Conway, Massachusetts.
4.  Ancel died young

At some time between 1764 when Olive Bates was born at Sherburn and the start of the Revolutionary War in 1775, Theodore Bates, a lad of 13 years with his parents reach Gerry, which in 1786 became part of Athol from which Theodore was mustered into service in 1779, age 17.  Much of the above information  has been gleaned from wife Abigail's pension claim, Widow-file No. 25193, which among other things states that Theodore lived during the Revolution in the town of Gerry (now Athol).  It would seem therefore, that the family of William Bates, a bricklayer, had moved from Sherburn to the Athol region.  Theodore served intermittently in the Revolutionary army until 1783.  His daughter Lydia was married in nearby Phillipston; and he himself married his 2nd wife Abigail in 1792 at Conway some 20 miles westerly.  We find reference that the family also graced Templeton near Athol, and later were with the early Shakers at New Lebanon, New York - not far from Pittsfield, Mass. Theodore joined the Watervliet community of Shakers in 1800; but his good wife Abigail, who survived him, did not become a member.  Being a Shaker, Theodore never accepted a pension and at his death widow Abigail filed a claim and was allotted his pension.  In an application for bounty land, dated March 24, 1855, Abigail recited that she was age 79 and she had resided for about ten years in the Town and County of Niagara, New York. Before going to Niagara, Abigail had her pension money moved to Canandaigua indicating that she went there while Hulbert, her grandson live there and then moved to Niagara to be with Osee, her son.  We do not know how long she lived nor where she was buried.  The last payment of record was made by Albany Pension Agency in 3rd Quarter of 1868 in Canandaigua, New York.  It is possible that she returned to the Shakers, but more
likely she died at Niagara Falls, or in Canandaigua.
The following insert is the history of Theodore Bates' induction and separation from the American Revolutionary Army.  He is the father of Osee C. Bates, who is the father of Hulbert D. Bates, who is the father of Henry W. Bates, our great Grandfather who married Ida Elizabeth Bradfield.

Bates, Theodore, Athol (also given Royalston).Descriptive list of enlisted men; Capt. Lord's (also given Capt. Oliver's) co., Col. Grout's regt.; age, 17 yrs.; stature, 5 ft.; complexion, light; residence, Athol; enlisted July 8, 1779; enlistment, 9 months; marched to Springfield; mustered by Thomas Newhall, Muster Master, July 2, 1779; also, descriptive list of men raised to reinforce Continental Army for the term of 6 months, agreeable to resolve of June 5, 1780; age, 18 yrs.; stature, 5 ft.; complexion, light; residence, Athol; arrived at Springfield July 6, 1780; marched to camp July 7, 1780, under command of Capt. Dix; also, pay roll for 6 months men raised by the town of Athol for service in the Continental Army during 1780; marched July 2, 1780; discharged Dec. 15, 1780; service, 5 mos. 14 days; also, receipt for bounty paid him by Capt. William Young, Chairman of Class No. 1 of the town of Athol, to serve in the Continental Army for the term of 3 years, dated Worcester, June 21, 1782; also, Private, Col. Benjamin Tupper's (10th) regt.; enlisted April 9, 1782; roll made up to Jan. 1, 1783; service, 8 mos. 22 days.

You can use the information above to pursue membership in the DAR or SAR.

The Bates move to Grand Island, New York

Walter C. Bates, the grandson of Theodore Bates wrote a letter to his family detailing the move to Grand Island, New York in 1907.
"We took the Erie (Canal) to Dale, Wyoming County, New York, where we lived up to the time we moved to Grand Island when I was 10 years old and Theo (Edmund Theodore, his brother) was 19 years old.  I have never been back since we left 55 years before." The year of the move was 1852. The U.S. 1850 Census of Erie County, New York records that Osee, the brother of Theodore Bates Jr., had already settled on Grand Island with his family, arriving after 1840 enumeration, and remaining there until after the 1860 enumerations.  Walter, the youngest brother,  also lived there until 1861, when he enlisted from Tonawanda into the Union Army (100 N. Y. Infantry, Company D).  The migration path was Conway, Mass. - New Lebanon, New York - Watervliet, New York -Wyoming County, New York - Grand Island, New York - Cedar County, Iowa, and Carleton, Nebraska.

We need to clear up some confusion here.  Theodore Bates (son of Theodore and Abigail) and his wife, Margaret Simmons Bates  had a son Osee G. Bates who was born 1824 near the Shaker community at Watervliet; he died August 20, 1860 in the 35th year of his life.  He is interred on Grand Island, New York at a small Whitehaven Cemetery on the eastern edge of Grand Island. No other Bates markers are on on this Island. It is believed he did not marry nor had any children. It took time to sort out all the Theodores and the Osee's but we noticed other researchers were having the same mystery challenges also.

My great, great, great Grandfather, Osee C. Bates, son of Theodore and Abigail, had five children with his first wife whose name is unknown at this writing. It is possible that his wife returned to the Shaker Community and Osee stayed in Grand Island and raised his family.

Children of Osee C Bates and mother's name unknown:

1. Hulbert D. Bates, b. 1821 in Grand Island, N.Y. d. 1882 in Canandaigua, New York. m. (1st) Abigail Williamson, died(2nd) Hannah Williamson (sisters) in 1857 from Owego, New York.

2. Ansel W. Bates, sometimes spelled Ancel, b. 1825 in Grand Island, New York, m. (1st) Julia ?, m. (2nd) Emma (Betsey) Bates, his 1st cousin, daughter of Theodore and Margaret Simmons Bates; he married a third time, but we have no data regarding this marriage.  He died of asthma much before 1928 at Hadley, Lapear County, Michigan and his wife and first cousin Emma died of consumption about 1863.

3. Theodore

Children of Ansel (Hulbert's brother) and Julia Bates:

1.  William A., b. further data.  Two other children, names unknown probably died young.

Children of Ansel and Emma Bates:

1.  Dora, b. 1855; Dora had two boys and one girl.
2. Arthur, b. 1858, d. 1926.  
3. Theodore was married, we have no information. He died a young man, leaving a wife and child.
4 and 5. two daughters, name unknown

Children of Osee and Harriet Bates, all born on Grand Island.NY

1.  Mary Bates, date of birth unknown, married name Davis lived on Grand Island until she was 12.  She settled with Mr. Davis in Clio, Lapear County, Michigan. She writes in a letter that her father is Osee and her brothers are Hulbert D., Ansel W., and Theodore. Census data shows that Osee and wife Harriet moved to Clio, Michigan.

2.  Julia Bates married a man named Cunningham

3.  Catherine, b 1857, d. 1885. No further data.

Hulbert D. Bates: while living in Grand Island, NY,  was a boatman and farmer.  He lived on a farm next to his father Osee and the census shows that his brother Ansel took over his farm when Hulbert moved to Canandaigua, New York around 1864.  We have no idea why he moved there, but recently found out his Grandmother Abigail Wheeler Bates left Watervliet, New York, the Shaker Community,  along with several others and had her pension transferred to Canandaigua at the same time Hulbert moved there. 

Hulbert at age 20 and his first wife Abigail at age 19, married around 1842, and had three children:
1.  Emily who was born  1844 with a mental condition. Emily survived her father and mother and died in Willard State Hospital mental institution in Seneca County, Northeast of Canandaigua.  

2.   Evergrade, a son, b.1845. He drops from the family by 1880 Census and is not heard of again.

3.   Minie b. 1850 Disappears from the Census of 1880.  Certainly old enough to be on her own.

Abigail died around 1855.  Hulbert, 33,  then married her sister Johannah E. Williamson, age 17 circa 1856. In the 1860 Census Hulbert and Hannah had Emily, Evergrade, Minie and their new child Edgar, age 2 living at the same address.

 By 1880, the Census shows Hulbert and Hannah in Canandaigua with the following children:

1. Emily, age 25, born 1845 (daughter of Abigail), mental problems

2. Henry W, age 19, born 1861, married Ida Elizabeth Bates in 1882, died of the DT's in Jail at the age of 29 in 1889. He was a cooper by trade. His father was a cooper also.

3. Ella H., age 16, born 1864
        Note:From Ontario County Journal 16 February 18834. Bertie H., age 11, born 1872

Emmett Clements, of Naples, and Miss Ella Bates, of Canandaigua, came to this city yesterday afternoon, on matrimonial intent. They put up at the Clinton hotel, and after supper the groom expectant sallied forth and found Policeman Hinds, who took the couple to the residence of Dr. Sank, of the United Presbyterian church, where they were speedily made one. It is understood that the families of the couple were ignorant of their intention to become man and wife. Rochester

In the 1880's, Hulbert died on August 8, 1882 leaving Hannah with four children to support. Hulbert went from being a cooper to a carriage maker with a Mr. Stack.Their office was behind the Canandaigua Hotel. No further information is available on that partnership.


Henry W., our great grandfather followed in his father's footsteps and became a cooper.  We do not know how he and Ida Bradfield met or when they met. It is possible Henry and Ida's brother Joe were drinking buddies but that is speculation.  We do know that they were married on January 1, 1882, the same year Henry's Father Hurlbert died.  Henry was 22 and Ida was 20. 

The children of Henry W. and Ida are:

1.  Florence Gertrude Bates, b. on May 22, 1884. m. John A. Doyle, b. January 23, 1884, in Canandaigua, New York. They were 16 years old so they gave their ages as 18 and 17 in order to get married in October 1901.

2.  William W. Bates, b.1886. a fireman in Rochester, New York. He m. Mame Flannigan, the love of his life.  Mame died and Will married another whose name is not known.  It was a marriage of convenience rather than love. He told Hazel Cloyes that he needed someone to keep his house because Ida was not able to do the job. Uncle Will shared his house with several of his relatives and my sister Lib and I went there on special occasions to watch parades especially on the 4th of July. Aunt Libby lived there also.  She was in her 90's and died in 1936,  They were all living in Rochester New York on Magnolia Street not far from our home. 

3.  Harry M. Bates, b. June 27, 1887, little is known of his life. We have a picture of him as a fireman.

On July 9, 1889, Henry W. Bates was arrested and put in the Ontario County jail for public drunkeness.  While in jail, he suffered Delerious Tremons, he did not receive proper care and died that day as reported by the coroner Doctor A. L. Beaham who wrote cause of death, "Acute mania".

Ida was left with her three children, penniless and widowed.  She was offered a job and a room at the Bradfield Boarding House as a scullery maid.  This meant that she could not care for the children.  Ida's Uncle John and Aunt Gert Aikens offered to raise Florence.  They would not take the boys so Ida had no choice but to put them in the orphanage.  Where were the relatives? I do not know.  Ida worked very hard and soon made enough money to get an apartment large enough for the boys and herself.  Aunt Mary Aikins moved in with her and cared for the boys while Ida worked.  My mother Mary Daley Doyle told us this story many times and expressed a carload of Irish anger towards the family for treating Ida like a slave.  After all the research I am really surprised the families did not rally around Ida and the children. Perhaps it was the shame of the drinking.  It was Ida's brother Joe who was too drunk to cross the railroad tracks and passed out on them. The train came along and severed his leg.  The Doctor made the statement in the newspaper that Bradfield needed help with his alcoholism. As you can see, there are lots of red flags on the field presenting a caveat to future generations. The following is the article in the Canandaigua Messenger regarding the accident:

                    Canandaigua Daily Messenger 1894

Joseph Bradfield, 25 years old, of Canandaigua met with a serious and perhaps fatal accident near the main Street crossing in the latter village yesterday forenoon. He is the son of Issac and Frances (Aikin) Bradfield. It is believed that Bradfield attempted to catch the 11:15 a.m. passenger train at the crossing yet no one can be found who know whether he was attempting to get on or off. The first to notice him was Greeley Cavin, the switchman who says that he fell with great force against the switch. As he did so, Cavin grabbed for him, just as he was rebounding under the cars. When the train had passed Bradfield was picked up and carried into the Miar Laundry. Dr. Beahan made an examination and found that the man's left foot had been crushed below the ankle. All of the bones of the foot were broken and it was swollen with blood. Bradfield's shoulder was also injured. The wounds were dressed and Bradfield was taken to his home on Niagara Street. The foot will probably have to be amputated. Bradfield was considerably intoxicated at the time the accident occurred. He has been employed off and on in the railroad yards in Canandaigua. The doctor pronounced the injury very dangerous, especially in Bradfield's case, he being a hard drinker.

Florence - Harry - William

Harry M. Bates

William W. Bates

Ida Elizabeth Bradfield Bates 1930

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